15 -- For some of her ancestry, see http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/a/r/Robert-L-Mardock/GENE12-0003.html.
In Dreams, p. 13, Mr. Obama says that "a distant ancestor" of hers "had indeed been a full-blooded Cherokee". No evidence has been found to support this claim***.
At the end of the 19th century, her paternal grandparents lived in the Chickasaw Nation in what is now Oklahoma, but in the census enumeration (see above) they are listed as "White", not as "Indian". END
Indeed Leona (McCurry) Payne, probably knew where the subject of that very Cherokee ancestry would lead, back to the "Melungeon" Leona (McCurry) Payne/Margaret Belle Wright/Frances A Allred/ Anna Bunch.
Melungeon DNA Study Reveals Ancestry Upset's "A Whole Lot Of People" Huffington Post, 05/24/12 05:15 PM ET
For the record, it's no secret what makes up the ethnicity of people who were referred to by the slur Melungeon, White, Black and Indian. Verry Slitly Mixt - Tri Racial Isolates Of The Upper South A Genealogical Study 1988, By Virginia Easley DeMarce Phd. Ms DeMarce is a historian, and has been the past President of The National Genealogical Society.
Anna Bunch the President's grandmother "Toot's" ancestor was the daughter of Nathaniel Bunch and Sarah Wade Ray. Nathaniel Bunch son of Charles Bunch and Mary Bellamy. Charles Bunch the son of Samuel Bunch and Mary Hudson. These Bunch are mentioned in the Melungeon DNA project. You can find the results HERE. You will notice the Bunch are at the top of the table, and carry the Eb halo type, that is mentioned in the Huffington Post article"Sub Saharan African" halo type, that is supposed to have "upset people" to find out it existed in their family genetic ancestry. Never mind that it's been known for some time the mixture of the people who were referred to by the slur Melungeon. According to Jack Goins this Melungeon DNA study proves there was no Indian component in the make up of Melungeon's he doubles downs here., that means that President Obama, has no Cherokee ancestry.
From the Bunch YDNA project
The Bunch family apparently descends from John Bunch who patented 450 acres in New Kent County in 1662. Another John Bunch, "a Mulatto," and Sarah Slayden, a white woman, petitioned the Council of Virginia in 1705 to allow them to marry because the minister of Blisland Parish (New Kent and James City counties) refused to marry them. The Attorney General was undecided whether the petition "came within the intent of the Law preventing Negros and White Persons intermarrying" because he could not resolve
Whether the issue begotten on a White woman by a Mulatto man can properly be called a Mulatto, that name I conceive being only appropriated to the Child of a Negro man begotten upon a white woman or a white man upon a negro woman, and as I am told the issue of a Mulatto by or upon a white person has another name viz. that of Mustee?
Paul Bunch patented 265 acres in present-day Halifax County, North Carolina, adjoining Gideon Gibson?s land and left a 1726 Chowan County will by which he left a considerable estate to a "Mulatto woman" Keziah Holdebee and her three children. And Samuel Bunch was indicted in the Gibson?s Mill area of Louisa County, Virginia, for failing to list a tithable which was probably his wife, but this branch of the family was considered white by the end of the colonial period as were the other branches of the family that went to South Carolina.
There is more on Barack Obama's ancestor Samuel Bunch and his "Mulatto" father John Bunch here:There is an African connection here since Nathaniel Bunch of Arkansas's cousin Nathaniel Bunch of Virginia requested that upon his death his slaves be freed with the option of going to Liberia. END.
The interesting thing is that some of the VA Bunch family owned slaves.
The interesting thing is that some of the VA Bunch family owned slaves.
The President of the United States has every reason to believe that he has Cherokee ancestry, in fact the author of the Melungeon Study, hyped by Huffington Post article, posted the family that descends from Samuel Bunch's brother David Bunch, and his descendants membership on the Cherokee DAWES Rolls. Scroll down in the page to see the Chart.
- - Cherokee DAWES applicants 19506 and 44416 (below) show John Carr Bunch as their father. In Louisa Co VA, on 6 April, 1782, there is a Deed of Trust that shows: "Joseph Bunch Thomas Carr, Garland Carr, Nathaniel Anderson and James Minor executors of John Carr dec'd. £357 for tract on Hudson's Creek containing 96 acres adjoining James Watson, James Bunch, Pouncey Bunch also Negro woman Vista and her child Ben. In trust Bunch to pay to legatees of John Carr dec'd. 68 1/2 ounces of gold no greater alloy than is contained in an English Guinea. sig. Joseph Bunch, wit. Turner Anderson, Robert Wilson, Wm. Hughes, Wm. Harris. Rec. 12 Aug 1782."
- - Ref http://trevilians.com/deeds/deed17.htm Book: H, Page: 203, Grantor: Joseph Bunch, Grantee: Thomas Carr, Garland Carr, Nathaniel And, Date: 06-Apr-1782
25 Jan 1745 Louisa County, Virginia Court: William Hall, Samuel Collins, William Collins, Samuel Bunch, George Gibson, Benjamin Brannum, Thomas Gibson, & William Donothan appear to answer an indictment for concealing tithables. Plead not guilty, Case continued. (Louisa County, Va., Tithables and Census)
Although this John Collins may, or may not be a brother to Thomas the court record below establishes that some Collins were Saponia Indians. "Alexander Machartoon, John Bowling, Manincassa, Capt Tom, Isaac, Harry, blind tom, Foolish Jack, Charles Griffin, John Collins, Little Jack, Indians being bought before the court for stealing Hogs. , Ordered that their Guns be taken away from them till they are ready to depart of this county, they having declared their intentions to depart this colony within a week.".11 On pages 309-312 of Orange County Court Record book the above named men individually put up security.11
Collins YDNA project
C-5 52337 Vardeman Collins R1a1a
R1a halo type, the fabled halo group R1a -or precisely it's subclade R1a1- is said to indicate "Viking Origin" when it is found among men of British descent. Viking DNA among the Border Reivers.
Gibson YDNA project
G-75 Shephard "Old Buck" Gibson born 1765 Va died 1842 Tn. R1b1a2
Descendants of both documented Melungeon men who lived on Newsman Ridge, participated in the Melungeon Core YDNA study.
The family of David Collins and Thompsy Posting match the DNA participants of Vardy Collins. These Collins are "Saponi" Since David and Vardy Collins DNA match, it stands to reason that Vardy Collins was also of Saponi descent. David Collins daughter Eleanor Collins married John Turnbull/Bull the Turnbulls is a well known Border Reiver surname.
Other well known Border Reiver surname Rutherford . Griffth Rutherford brigadier general of Salisbury district militia forced the Cherokee into a treaty in North Carolina during the Revolutionary War. April 1779 Rutherford Co., North Carolina is named after General Griffth Rutherford. The people who settled Rutherford Co.,North Carolina were of Scot -Irish descent.
My cousin that descends from Isaac Gibson Sr., the same ancestor that was enumerated as FPC on the 1830 Knox Co.,Ky., census, and a land holder also matches Shepherd "Old Buck" Gibson YDNA of Newmans Ridge. These families migrated from Louisa Co.,Va., as did President Obama's Bunch family. In fact the President's ancestor Charles Bunch son of Samuel Bunch, and Mary Hudson and father of Nathaniel Bunch who married Sarah Wade Ray, is found on a petition on Grainger Co.,Tn., The same petition as my ancestors 5th Great Grandfather David Campbell, and 5th Great Grandfather John Jones - husband of Orpha Gibson. Isaac Gibson Sr., also signed the same petition.
19-1-1799 Petition of citizens of Grainger "concerning that it will not be to the advantage of the Publick at Large to add any part of Grainger county to Jefferson........."
G-135 Isaac Gibson born circa 176o/5 North Carolina died 1837 Knox Co.,Ky. R1b1a2
Isaac Gibson Sr's family intermarried with the above David Collins family. Many of my cousins are both Gibsons and Collins, we have the Mason family as our common ancestor.
I am not sure why the heavy dependence on DNA in genealogy research? Especially without the caveats of what DNA testing can prove and not prove. I know there is big money in DNA testing so it's promoted as an essential tool.
While DNA can prove direct ancestry or linage, it can't prove race or ethnicity. The reason for this is that human beings are so much alike, and have had genetic mixtures for so long even the most defining racial or ethnic traits are found in almost every human family. Skin color, facial structure, hair and eye color, all things that are use to define race or ethnicity lose definition when traced as part of a DNA analyst. There is no gene that can accurately define an American Indian for instance, because many of the so-called defining characteristics are genetically identical to many Asians and African Americans.
For the record, I disagree with Roberta Estes above about the ethnic make up of Melungeon people. I looked at President Barack H Obama's grandmother "Toots" ancestry, I do believe the family has Cherokee ancestry through the Bunch family. Considering some of the President's distant Bunch cousins made it onto the Cherokee DAWES Rolls so does the Cherokee Nation.
Since we are all cousins, according to the Melungeon YDNA study - "It was such a closely related group that it is conjectured that everyone that descends from everyone, and therefore from all the founders". I would like to ask cousin Barry to update his Collins and Gibson kin, on what's the hold up with the Reparations, and why is our tribe under attack by FTDNA denying our American Indian ancestry ;)
For further reading on the Virginia Tribes on going struggle for tribal recognition. SEE the Black and White World of Walter Ashby Plecker.
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